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chris ludlow // Jan 4, 2009 at 7:41 am

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a simple google search shows dozens AND dozens of terror attacks carried out by…get ready folks….MUSLIMS!!!!! Please don’t lump McVeigh in with these assholes and try and tell me anyone can be a terrorist !

A simle google search shows doezens ANS dozens of terror attacks carried out by… get ready chris… WHITE PEOPLE!!! Were you born with your head up your backside? Haven’t you ever heard of the IRA? Well of course not, guy who quotes the friggin’ Free Republic website!
Since you strike me as rather intellectually lazy, let me include a big ol’ list for ya: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Provisional_IRA_Actions . Not a single Muslim was involved in a single one of the listed atrocities.

And “Don’t lump McVeigh in with these terrorists”?!?! Why?! Perhaps the dead babies pulled from the rubble that day didn’t really count as victims of terrorists because the terrorists were white? Besides, you can lump hundreds of millions of peaceful practitioners of Islam in with a few nutcases, why doesn’t McVeigh fit the bill?

I want you to explain your logic, because I, A WHITE OKLAHOMAN IN OKC THE DAY THE MURRAH BUILDING WAS BLOWN UP, wants to know why McVeigh isn’t the same kind of evil as those who flew planes into buildings. Evil knows know skin color, nor does ignorance (apparently).

I did say that
“Of course that the air-trans refused to take them even after the FBI cleared them was quite lame”

The benefit of doubt should go the airlines…One thing in the favor of airlines is surely that this wasn’t the first time they were flying a muslim family I am sure so their was no intentional profiling of any kind.

I also think its better to be safe than sorry so I can’t say the report shouldn’t have been taken seriously.

The airlines acted correctly at first but then may have gone too far after the FBI cleared the family.

We need to show the world that we are a cautious society, but that we will be quick to clear and remove stigma if it is placed mistakenly (i.e. we need to be balanced).

I believe a very small mistake was made first by the family and a larger one by the airline, but let’s move on here.

WHAT DOES BOTHER ME, HOWEVER, is when idiots like Chris Ludlow get on these forums with their evil hidden agendas, guised by the pretense of an uneducated person who uses vulgarity, trying to find any possible way to wrap this together with his anti-Islamic sentiment. This has nothing to do with your unjustified and politically charged neo-con hate of Islam and Muslims. Stop spreading ridiculous lies like “Muslims hate and want to kill all Christians and Jews.” First of all, Muslims have lived for hundreds of years in peace with Christians and Jews. Secondly, even those evil terrorists who claim to be Muslim and have hijacked the faith, even they will never say something like “kill the Christians and Jews”, this is all a neoconservative dogma trying to brainwash us into thinking that these evil terrorists hate us because of our “freedoms”. As evil as they are, and as much as they don’t represent Muslims in general because of their methods, even they have their motives that are political and reactive to other events in the world. Even the worst terrorist, Bin Laden, said in all his videos ‘get out of our lands’. So although he is evil because of HOW he chooses to react to his grievances, and 99% of the Muslims who suffer from those occupations in their lands will not agree with the methods Bin Laden and his followers resort to, this doesn’t mean that we should paint him, his evil followers AND 1.5 billion Muslims of the world into a false depiction of all hating us and wanting to kill us because they hate freedom.

Not all of them want to kill us, not all of them hate us, and even the ones who do want to kill us and hate us, they do it for their own retarded political reasons, not because of freedom itself or because we are Christians and Jews.

Also, there are Muslims who aren’t Arab or Middle Eastern. So I guess you should be scared of Black people again, and Asians, and *gasp* White people as well! Might as well be scared of everyone.

And for those of you who think that Muslims aren’t Americans or have no loyalties to this great nations, you’re sorely mistaken.

My husband is Muslim born in Texas with parents from California. So when you tell him to go back to his country, he’s already here. Thanks for the warm welcome, though. Really.

His brother who is also a Muslim and is stationed out of Fort Bragg, NC as a proud member of the Army thanks you as well from his station in Iraq, serving the United States.

It’s convienient and politically correct to sympatize with this muslim family…but lets not take it too far. the first post on this story said it best. read it again. and if you’re a muslim reading this that hates jews and christians. FUCK YOU. YOU WILL LOSE…AND YOU WILL DIE!

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The reports we hear over and over again in the media has driven home the message loud and clear that muslims are capable of unspeakable acts of violence, that there are radicals in hiding all over the world who wish to kill us all, and that they would, more than likely, happily commit suicide in doing so. The suicide bombing thing! That, is a concept we westerners find shocking and will probably never come to understand. And any culture that embraces such acts will always be viewed by western cultures as being barbaric and backwards.
Look, the rhetoric we’re inundated with has instilled a unique mass fear amongst westerners towards all arabs. Given the circumstances it’s a wonder that incidents such as this are not the norm.

Getting into the airline’s shoes, what reason would the airline have to refuse to allow the passengers on another flight after the FBI has cleared them?

Rather than blame the air-line, getting in their shoes would provide a better perspective of apprehensions….some have

And I’m afraid I’m at a loss to interpret your last two sentences–we’re all illegal immigrants for being judgmental? None of the involved parties in this incident were immigrants–these were American Muslim families. And they weren’t singled out for being Muslim either–they were singled out for having an inappropriate conversation on an airplane, and if you and your tiny white sister had the same conversation under similar circumstances, you’d be behaving inappropriately as well.

AirTran owed these individuals, who caused considerable disruption, inconvenience, and cost to a great deal of people, absolutely nothing from a legal standpoint. We can argue whether they should’ve offered these families compensation in a more timely fashion out of courtesy and good customer service principles, but ultimately, they have the right to refuse service to anyone whom they believe is acting inappropriately on their property.

I wish this unfortunate incident hadn’t happened, but frankly, I’d prefer the airlines act on the side of caution when it comes to the safety of their passengers, and I think these people shouldn’t have discussed such volatile concerns in front of other passengers. Perhaps this incident will cause others to think twice about what they choose to say on future flights.

As far as your Native American comment goes, I don’t know where the hell that one came from. I guess I know what you were getting at to a certain extent, but since that old saw is about three centuries old now, I really don’t think it applies here. If you’re going to start ranting about every injustice throughout antiquity to prove that AirTran is a racist company, then you’re going to get labeled a loony. Let’s stick to the here and now, ok?

ALL major religions are based on the HUMAN concepts of love and respect for others. As Fred Phelps spew of hatred does NOT represent the ideals of all Christians (ahem, the vast majority of Christians), neither do the hateful ideals expounded by by some extremist Muslims (and repeated by ignorant Westerners) represent the majority of the Islamic faith.

Ignorant Christians (just the ignorant ones – for all the rest, please ignore as you understand this already), please think of your own religion… how there are Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, Protestants, etc. all under the Christian umbrella. Imagine this… the same is true for Muslims! There are crazy extremists in all walks of life, not just the brown ones!

You speak (type) the true.

Thanks,

nice idea. I like it.

thanks for your comments.

Also ask the airlines to put the whole crew on retraining and kick off the pilot.

Donate the money to

Families of US soldiers killed in action in Iraq or Afghanistan

FBI as they helped you to clear the security and approach airlines for further training

TSA to establish a special training cell for handling such sensitive cases.

In this economic melt down taking approx 10 million dollars for the company should be good enough.

Donot accept whatever they are offering but take them for a long ride till the whole company is on its knees.

Make an example out of them and set an example for others that you donated the money for USA which will improve image of your religion too.

Does this mean i should be prepared to be frisked at every airport? I should be expected to be kicked off the plane if some so called kid of a European migrant (read white) thought I am a terrorist or not dressed up like her.

All terrorists are not muslims. Wake up, have you heard about IRA, LTTE, Maoists, ETA and so on.

I think the problem is with the US media and general education system of USA. Compare the news coverage of CNN and BBC and you will understand what I mean.

And pardon me, for not recognising your so called US English accent eventhough I spent most of my life in Cambridge (UK). Go out of your dungens to see the world and place yourself. Does that mean i should be kicked off for not understanding your awsome kwality axcent.

Please accept the differences and respect them. It took almost 150 years for US to give right to vote to women, 200 years to accept Blacks and another 200+ years to recognise other religions in US.

Please for goodness sake remove hatred from your heart. It is land of opportunities. Avail them before people from all over the world snatch them away from you.

It is the pathetic uneducated people of America who continue to embarrass our country to the rest of the world. (Always remember that 50% of all people are below average. Sadly, America seems to be beating that average handily)

I have commented on the safety of seating areas on a plane for years. Never had an issue. Now someone with a head scarf and they are a suicide bomber. Did these people go through the same TSA security checkpoints as all others? Of course.

Just patently pathetic.

Reminds me of the idiots in Lubbock Texas airport who ripped a woman’s nipple rings out for security reasons. The stupidity never ends.

It is so sad to see our country go from a world leader with the best educated people to a world follower with idiots holding the keys to the gate.

Oh, and I am not Muslim.