Where's the Outrage?

Aubreun -

Thanks for your heartfelt and thoughtful comments.

Aubreun -

Thanks for your heartfelt and thoughtful comments.

For those people claiming that a child has a biological need for a parent of both genders, specifically a mother, you're wrong. Where is the research study stating that a female caregiver is necessary? Are you saying that single dads shouldn't be allowed to raise their kids? And for those that claim a child needs a father, are you saying that single moms shouldn't raise their kids? I have seen no research saying that a child needs one or both genders of parents to be well-adjusted. I have, however, seen research research that says a child with two parents--of whatever gender combination--is better off than a child of a single parent. And I'm pretty sure that a child would be better off with two gay parents than in the foster system their whole lives.

To all the people who say it is unnatural for a child to not have a mother and a father... that's incorrect. Because a human woman is biologically structured to care for a child (womb, breasts), our society was built around the woman caring for the child. However, it is not a biological necessity for a child to require a mother, or a father, or both. That is merely tradition. Tradition is very different from necessity. Please do not confuse the two.

No 2 DADS... boytoy shopping? Seriously? Why do people think that gay men have such a hard-on for little boys and teenagers? Oh right, because we keep getting sex scandals involving publically conservative politicians going to Southeast Asia to get their rocks off. We are talking about men who love other men, not child molestors. I think that it's the taboo around homosexuality that causes these scandals, combined with the politicians' repressed homosexuality. After all, studies have been done that say that those who oppose homosexuality the most are generally those that question their own sexuality the most.

I should also point out that a child can have a role model of whatever gender besides their primary caregivers. A child can look at family friends, neighbors, or other relatives as role models. Children are not kept in a bubble from the rest of the world by their parents. They will know other adults.

Kathryn... are you suggesting that the gay/ lesbian parents would do such things to their children themselves? That's absurd. Being gay doesn't mean you're somehow incapable of love or human compassion--in fact I'd say it makes you more so, since you can love a person despite what the world says about you. There will be neglectful and abusive gay parents, just like their are neglectful and abusive straight parents. I don't think the ratio will be any different, it may even be better considering that, in a way, the world will be watching how gay parents raise their kids. (I apologize for sounding rude if that's not what you were trying to say, your post was a bit unclear).

And to everyone who keeps quoting the Bible and looking to God... that is not our nation's founding document. The Founding Fathers looked to it for guidance, as do the majority of modern day Americans, but it is not a legal document, and hence has no place in government nor in political discussion. And if God realy thought it was wrong or unnatural, why are so many animals gay?

And one last thing... all these arguements against gay marriage sound an aweful lot like the arguements against inter-racial marriage.

For those people claiming that a child has a biological need for a parent of both genders, specifically a mother, you're wrong. Where is the research study stating that a female caregiver is necessary? Are you saying that single dads shouldn't be allowed to raise their kids? And for those that claim a child needs a father, are you saying that single moms shouldn't raise their kids? I have seen no research saying that a child needs one or both genders of parents to be well-adjusted. I have, however, seen research research that says a child with two parents--of whatever gender combination--is better off than a child of a single parent. And I'm pretty sure that a child would be better off with two gay parents than in the foster system their whole lives.

To all the people who say it is unnatural for a child to not have a mother and a father... that's incorrect. Because a human woman is biologically structured to care for a child (womb, breasts), our society was built around the woman caring for the child. However, it is not a biological necessity for a child to require a mother, or a father, or both. That is merely tradition. Tradition is very different from necessity. Please do not confuse the two.

No 2 DADS... boytoy shopping? Seriously? Why do people think that gay men have such a hard-on for little boys and teenagers? Oh right, because we keep getting sex scandals involving publically conservative politicians going to Southeast Asia to get their rocks off. We are talking about men who love other men, not child molestors. I think that it's the taboo around homosexuality that causes these scandals, combined with the politicians' repressed homosexuality. After all, studies have been done that say that those who oppose homosexuality the most are generally those that question their own sexuality the most.

I should also point out that a child can have a role model of whatever gender besides their primary caregivers. A child can look at family friends, neighbors, or other relatives as role models. Children are not kept in a bubble from the rest of the world by their parents. They will know other adults.

Kathryn... are you suggesting that the gay/ lesbian parents would do such things to their children themselves? That's absurd. Being gay doesn't mean you're somehow incapable of love or human compassion--in fact I'd say it makes you more so, since you can love a person despite what the world says about you. There will be neglectful and abusive gay parents, just like their are neglectful and abusive straight parents. I don't think the ratio will be any different, it may even be better considering that, in a way, the world will be watching how gay parents raise their kids. (I apologize for sounding rude if that's not what you were trying to say, your post was a bit unclear).

And to everyone who keeps quoting the Bible and looking to God... that is not our nation's founding document. The Founding Fathers looked to it for guidance, as do the majority of modern day Americans, but it is not a legal document, and hence has no place in government nor in political discussion. And if God realy thought it was wrong or unnatural, why are so many animals gay?

And one last thing... all these arguements against gay marriage sound an aweful lot like the arguements against inter-racial marriage.

I've been thinking about this a lot recently. I've been thinking about the Bible. I've been thinking about my upbringing as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I've been looking to the books to see what the rest of the animal kingdom is up to. And I've been trying to ask, in my heart, what would Jesus do?

I remember it saying that "homosexuality was wrong", but to be point blank, that "laying with another man was wrong", because it could not produce children. If the child is already produced, and just needs taking care of, where does it say it is wrong to raise that child and love that child? Granted, I'm no as well versed but, I don't think that God resents love, no matter what the form. God is love.

Another thing, most animal races, including penguins, have homosexuality occurring naturally. If it was so wrong, would we see it in more than our species? God created them, and since (last I checked) they don't have free will because they don't have sentient thought, it was my understanding that he could control their mating habits a lot easier.

Considering how the world has 6,000,000,000,000+ people, at this point, it could be his way of population control. Stop some people from breeding, and ensure that those who are born are taken care of, before we completely run out of resources.

Also, these people who you're calling filthy and dirty... They're just people. They haven't set out to murder anyone, or to rape anyone, or to sodomize you; they're just trying to earn your acceptance, your love, and be able to love in return.

I've been thinking about this a lot recently. I've been thinking about the Bible. I've been thinking about my upbringing as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I've been looking to the books to see what the rest of the animal kingdom is up to. And I've been trying to ask, in my heart, what would Jesus do?

I remember it saying that "homosexuality was wrong", but to be point blank, that "laying with another man was wrong", because it could not produce children. If the child is already produced, and just needs taking care of, where does it say it is wrong to raise that child and love that child? Granted, I'm no as well versed but, I don't think that God resents love, no matter what the form. God is love.

Another thing, most animal races, including penguins, have homosexuality occurring naturally. If it was so wrong, would we see it in more than our species? God created them, and since (last I checked) they don't have free will because they don't have sentient thought, it was my understanding that he could control their mating habits a lot easier.

Considering how the world has 6,000,000,000,000+ people, at this point, it could be his way of population control. Stop some people from breeding, and ensure that those who are born are taken care of, before we completely run out of resources.

Also, these people who you're calling filthy and dirty... They're just people. They haven't set out to murder anyone, or to rape anyone, or to sodomize you; they're just trying to earn your acceptance, your love, and be able to love in return.

There are enough kids in foster homes and up for adoption that are older. Why not let them decide whether or not they object. I think a loving home no matter who raises them is far better than an abbusive home.

There are enough kids in foster homes and up for adoption that are older. Why not let them decide whether or not they object. I think a loving home no matter who raises them is far better than an abbusive home.

Hmmmm..... I "real" life, most children seem to go through a stage of being embarassed by their parents. if being in a gay family is confusing, just think how traumatic it is for those children drugged, pimped, molested, abused in all sorts of ways that might very well make them wish mightly for any loving family!

Hmmmm..... I "real" life, most children seem to go through a stage of being embarassed by their parents. if being in a gay family is confusing, just think how traumatic it is for those children drugged, pimped, molested, abused in all sorts of ways that might very well make them wish mightly for any loving family!

The reason that the guy/gal who posted the first comment wrote that garbage was so that we would say that Obama was a moron. He/She is really, really smart. We are completely fooled.

The reason that the guy/gal who posted the first comment wrote that garbage was so that we would say that Obama was a moron. He/She is really, really smart. We are completely fooled.

Well stated. Well posted!!

Well stated. Well posted!!

Here's a true story that usually makes conservative peoples heads explode. There are kids born with sex organ defects and many damaged by botched circumcisions and in one case of many a kid was born circumsised developed an iinfection and lost his genitals so the doctor recommended making the child a girl. So per the Doctor he became a girl legally. Grew up but still felt like a man - If god made him a man the doctor made him a girl but he could not marry a woman legally. Many conservatives said he shouldt be able to because He is a lesbian. Esentially saying that God should be ignored because the Doctor is God. This must have been what the commandments really meant by false God. - And upon learning the world was not black and white the conservatives head exploded. LOL

Here's a true story that usually makes conservative peoples heads explode. There are kids born with sex organ defects and many damaged by botched circumcisions and in one case of many a kid was born circumsised developed an iinfection and lost his genitals so the doctor recommended making the child a girl. So per the Doctor he became a girl legally. Grew up but still felt like a man - If god made him a man the doctor made him a girl but he could not marry a woman legally. Many conservatives said he shouldt be able to because He is a lesbian. Esentially saying that God should be ignored because the Doctor is God. This must have been what the commandments really meant by false God. - And upon learning the world was not black and white the conservatives head exploded. LOL

Like it or not their are people who grew up with gay parents. Many of these heterosexual people grew up at a legal disadvanage because their parents could not marry and may have lacked health coverage or any number of things. I am surprised that anyone would argue they should also be at a disadvantage and descriminated against. Of course i noticed many str8 people forgot about lesbians and didn't think gays had kids.

Like it or not their are people who grew up with gay parents. Many of these heterosexual people grew up at a legal disadvanage because their parents could not marry and may have lacked health coverage or any number of things. I am surprised that anyone would argue they should also be at a disadvantage and descriminated against. Of course i noticed many str8 people forgot about lesbians and didn't think gays had kids.

Thanks for this post. It is time for conservatives to stop peering into bedrooms to decry sexual orientation and start seeing the importance of healthy relationships of all kinds. Love and commitment are never wrong! As for who is fit to raise a family, there are a million disturbing ways to do a bad job of parenting that have nothing to do with sexual preference -- let's address those instead!

Thanks for this post. It is time for conservatives to stop peering into bedrooms to decry sexual orientation and start seeing the importance of healthy relationships of all kinds. Love and commitment are never wrong! As for who is fit to raise a family, there are a million disturbing ways to do a bad job of parenting that have nothing to do with sexual preference -- let's address those instead!

What does God think about all this? Levey had no choice in this but the two-mom situation does. they wil have to answer for this. Our society has become warped in their idea of what a family and their values consist of. It's more than love and caring. It is about doing what is right morally in God's sight. However people have their own ideas and choices. A family is incomplete without a man and a woman. If a woman can't get a woman pregnant than obviously something isn't right. But, who cares about that, just do what you feel. Levey says he is normal but this does affect him. How can he relate to a father? There are some things only a father can give. It's time that people speak out against this corruption in our society and stand up for what is right, in God's eyes. There is tru freedom and liberty in truth and not in deception.

What does God think about all this? Levey had no choice in this but the two-mom situation does. they wil have to answer for this. Our society has become warped in their idea of what a family and their values consist of. It's more than love and caring. It is about doing what is right morally in God's sight. However people have their own ideas and choices. A family is incomplete without a man and a woman. If a woman can't get a woman pregnant than obviously something isn't right. But, who cares about that, just do what you feel. Levey says he is normal but this does affect him. How can he relate to a father? There are some things only a father can give. It's time that people speak out against this corruption in our society and stand up for what is right, in God's eyes. There is tru freedom and liberty in truth and not in deception.

2 moms is better than one; what concerns most of us concerned with this issue is a child (especially boy) adopted and raised by 1 or 2 gay dads. I haven't seen anyone vigorously defend the legalizing of boy-toy shopping by "fathers" who could not acquire these children but it would definitely be a problem at least to some degree if this is legitimized. The first step is to establish a woman's fundamental right to have children and second is to establish the right of would-be adopted children to a MOTHER. This is just simple biology. Mother's raise kids because they have kids, father's raise kids because they WANT to.

-son of a divorced hetero couple, raised by single mother (and no, she wasn't perfect)

2 moms is better than one; what concerns most of us concerned with this issue is a child (especially boy) adopted and raised by 1 or 2 gay dads. I haven't seen anyone vigorously defend the legalizing of boy-toy shopping by "fathers" who could not acquire these children but it would definitely be a problem at least to some degree if this is legitimized. The first step is to establish a woman's fundamental right to have children and second is to establish the right of would-be adopted children to a MOTHER. This is just simple biology. Mother's raise kids because they have kids, father's raise kids because they WANT to.

-son of a divorced hetero couple, raised by single mother (and no, she wasn't perfect)

To the 'Obama' poster - you are truly an idiot. A bigoted, foolish, blatant idiot.

To the 'Obama' poster - you are truly an idiot. A bigoted, foolish, blatant idiot.

Gayby here, I was raised by two women. I'm a heterosexual and in college. I do not have any psychological issues as you people who have no idea what you're talking about seem to keep repeating over and over again. I love my two moms and would not trade them for anything else in the world. This person below me needs to quit being so judgmental about other people's ways of life and start focusing on their anger problems.

Gayby here, I was raised by two women. I'm a heterosexual and in college. I do not have any psychological issues as you people who have no idea what you're talking about seem to keep repeating over and over again. I love my two moms and would not trade them for anything else in the world. This person below me needs to quit being so judgmental about other people's ways of life and start focusing on their anger problems.

Homosexuality is vile, filthy, morally reprehensible, socially unacceptable behavior. A real family is a father, a mother and children. Two mentally ill individuals adopting a kid is not a family, it's a freak show.

Homosexuality is vile, filthy, morally reprehensible, socially unacceptable behavior. A real family is a father, a mother and children. Two mentally ill individuals adopting a kid is not a family, it's a freak show.