Say it ain’t so, Joe (Lieberman just makes up healthcare data)

When President Obama asked Democrats, liberals and progressives to forgive Joe Lieberman for his condescension, lies and treachery, we reluctantly said, “Okay.” It was the right thing to do. It was the JudeoChristian thing to do. Joe Lieberman now sits as the chairman of the powerful Homeland Security Committee because of our generosity. He is now made an appearance on TV, not having ever met a camera he doesn’t like, and threatened to filibuster the healthcare bill by voting with Republicans. Notice how Republicans have gone silent. They are allowing Democrats to implode without their help. My disdain for Joe Lieberman only grows.

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From TP:

This afternoon, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) appeared on Fox News to defend his intention to filibuster any health care reform bill that includes a national public option. Lieberman argued that a public plan would “stifle” the economic recovery and increase “the debt.” “It’s just unnecessary,” Lieberman said. The public option is “a new entitlement program and the taxpayers and the premium-payers are going to end up paying for it, or else the debt will go higher.”

Contrary to Lieberman’s claims, the public option envisioned by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) would be required to compete on a level playing field with private insurers and charge premiums “in an amount sufficient to cover expected costs.” Instead of stifling the “economic recovery” and increasing “the debt,” the Congressional Budget Office concluded that the self-sustaining public option (similar to the one envisioned by Reid) could actually save the government money and slightly lower premiums.

Like Lieberman, America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) — the insurance industry’s lobby — and the Business Roundtable have also argued that a public option that reimburses providers at lower rates than private payers would force providers to raise costs for Americans with private coverage in order to make-up the difference. MedPAC, the Congressional Budget Office, and numerous actuarial studies dispute the insurers’ claims.

These critics confuse cost shifts with price differentials. Economists point out that “price differentials are not necessarily the recouping of losses from one payer by overcharging another”; providers often “charge different prices to different market segments” to maximize profits, not to shift costs. MedPAC has concluded that “hospitals that are forced to run efficiently are adequately funded by Medicare payments. Therefore, increasing Medicare reimbursements to hospitals would not reduce rates providers charge to private insurers.” The research suggests that hospitals “are raising prices when they have the market power to do so,” not because they are reimbursed at Medicare rates.

  • Joe White
    my bad , 2000.
  • Joe White
    Is that why Dems put him on the ticket as their VP pick in 2004?
  • Joe White
    my bad , 2000.
  • Joe White
    Is that why Dems put him on the ticket as their VP pick in 2004?
  • ecthompson
    :)
  • ecthompson
    :)
  • Guest
    Lieberbush is one of the most corrupt politicians in Washington.  He is bought and paid for by Big Oil, the banksters, the mercenary corporations, arms merchants, the HMOs, the health insurers, and who knows how many other monied interests.

    He should just have a tattoo saying "For Sale" put on his forehead and be done with it.
  • Guest
    Lieberbush is one of the most corrupt politicians in Washington. He is bought and paid for by Big Oil, the banksters, the mercenary corporations, arms merchants, the HMOs, the health insurers, and who knows how many other monied interests.

    He should just have a tattoo saying "For Sale" put on his forehead and be done with it.
  • Joe White
    It is in the AP story that I linked earlier.
  • Joe White
    It is in the AP story that I linked earlier.
  • ecthompson
    Which CBO paper did you get this from. I can't find that at all.
  • ecthompson
    Which CBO paper did you get this from.  I can't find that at all.
  • Joe White
    I'll bet you're really excited then that the CBO says people enrolling in the public option will pay more than those with private insurance.

    And like it or not we do have to consider whether it's a level playing field.

    The overall effect on the economy must be taken into account because you dont treat patients in a vaccuum.
  • Joe White
    I'll bet you're really excited then that the CBO says people enrolling in the public option will pay more than those with private insurance.

    And like it or not we do have to consider whether it's a level playing field.

    The overall effect on the economy must be taken into account because you dont treat patients in a vaccuum.
  • ecthompson
    What I'm trying to do is deliver cost-effective medical care. The question isn't whether or the playing field will be even or uneven. The question is will this be more cost-effective for Americans? I think the answer is clearly yes.
  • ecthompson
    What I'm trying to do is deliver cost-effective medical care. The question isn't whether or the playing field will be even or uneven. The question is will this be more cost-effective for Americans? I think the answer is clearly yes.
  • Joe White
    An AP story says "<a href=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091030/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul>the government would offer competing coverage</a> and consumers could shop for the policy that best met their needs...............The Congressional Budget Office said the result would be fees comparable to those doctors receive from private insurers. But for consumers, government-backed plans "would typically have premiums that are somewhat higher than the average premiums for private plans" sold in competition."

    Nice public option, Dems.
  • Joe White
    An AP story says "the government would offer competing coverage and consumers could shop for the policy that best met their needs...............The Congressional Budget Office said the result would be fees comparable to those doctors receive from private insurers. But for consumers, government-backed plans "would typically have premiums that are somewhat higher than the average premiums for private plans" sold in competition."

    Nice public option, Dems.
  • askcherlock
    Lieberman is off his rocker. Perhaps he has become so accustomed to being on the fence, he takes a stand that is not only implausible, but could stop the HCR from going forward witha public option. Without that, what's the point?
  • askcherlock
    Lieberman is off his rocker. Perhaps he has become so accustomed to being on the fence, he takes a stand that is not only implausible, but could stop the HCR from going forward witha public option. Without that, what's the point?
  • Joe White
    The 'public option' won't 'compete on a level playing field'

    If it is setup or maintained or administered using taxpayer dollars, that is not 'a level playing field'.

    Can you make the argument that not one taxpayer dollar will be used to setup or maintain or administer the 'public option'?

    No, you can't.
  • Joe White
    The 'public option' won't 'compete on a level playing field'

    If it is setup or maintained or administered using taxpayer dollars, that is not 'a level playing field'.

    Can you make the argument that not one taxpayer dollar will be used to setup or maintain or administer the 'public option'?

    No, you can't.
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