Comments on: Opt in or opt out — let’s flip a coin http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordpress/2009/11/02/opt-in-or-opt-out-lets-flip-a-coin/ Thoughtful, intelligent, entertaining, progressive discussion about politics, sports and whatever Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:14:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joe White http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordpress/2009/11/02/opt-in-or-opt-out-lets-flip-a-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-61683 Joe White Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:04:11 +0000 http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordpress/?p=11025#comment-61683 I'm not. But doing so would be 50x more difficult, and less likely to succeed in every instance. I’m not.

But doing so would be 50x more difficult, and less likely to succeed in every instance.

]]> By: ecthompson http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordpress/2009/11/02/opt-in-or-opt-out-lets-flip-a-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-61682 ecthompson Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:43:24 +0000 http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordpress/?p=11025#comment-61682 Joe - Why are you assuming that an insurance company in Florida wouldn't marshall resources from all over the country to fight such a measure?  Joe – Why are you assuming that an insurance company in Florida wouldn’t marshall resources from all over the country to fight such a measure? 

]]> By: Joe White http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordpress/2009/11/02/opt-in-or-opt-out-lets-flip-a-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-61681 Joe White Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:05:20 +0000 http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordpress/?p=11025#comment-61681 Then making the 'insurance lobby' multiply it's efforts by 50x will surely dilute it's effectiveness, would it not? Then making the ‘insurance lobby’ multiply it’s efforts by 50x will surely dilute it’s effectiveness, would it not?

]]> By: MH http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordpress/2009/11/02/opt-in-or-opt-out-lets-flip-a-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-61680 MH Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:03:59 +0000 http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordpress/?p=11025#comment-61680 I ran into a lady signing a healthcare reform petition. She misunderstood what it was for mainly because I was talking on how it won't do any good in Utah. She told me she and her husband had 10 kids and had insurance and that she wants to be able to drop them at 21 yrs of age. She stated that she shouldn't have to help them have coverage even if they are in school. I was just shaking my head. I said so you are against health reform and she said YEP.... But her insurance costs are the same as a family of 3. The family of 3 and the family of 12 pay 1200 a month for healthcare. How is that fair? She stated that ALL of her children were going to be successful and take care of themselves. Just wait until one of them gets sick without insurance. I bet she will change her mind.  Utah will opt out because they have the largest families and pay the least for coverage. Why would they want that to change. I ran into a lady signing a healthcare reform petition. She misunderstood what it was for mainly because I was talking on how it won’t do any good in Utah. She told me she and her husband had 10 kids and had insurance and that she wants to be able to drop them at 21 yrs of age. She stated that she shouldn’t have to help them have coverage even if they are in school. I was just shaking my head. I said so you are against health reform and she said YEP…. But her insurance costs are the same as a family of 3. The family of 3 and the family of 12 pay 1200 a month for healthcare. How is that fair? She stated that ALL of her children were going to be successful and take care of themselves. Just wait until one of them gets sick without insurance. I bet she will change her mind.  Utah will opt out because they have the largest families and pay the least for coverage. Why would they want that to change.

]]> By: ecthompson http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordpress/2009/11/02/opt-in-or-opt-out-lets-flip-a-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-61679 ecthompson Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:57:27 +0000 http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordpress/?p=11025#comment-61679 Joe -- maybe there's a simpler reason, the insurance lobby may be too powerful for them to overcome. Please explain why single payer would be so much "more expensive." It seems to me that it would <a href="http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single_payer_resources.php" rel="nofollow">be cheaper</a>. Joe — maybe there’s a simpler reason, the insurance lobby may be too powerful for them to overcome. Please explain why single payer would be so much “more expensive.” It seems to me that it would be cheaper.

]]> By: Joe White http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordpress/2009/11/02/opt-in-or-opt-out-lets-flip-a-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-61678 Joe White Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:41:36 +0000 http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordpress/?p=11025#comment-61678 For those who want a single payer, the reality is that each state has always had the authority to institute it's own single payer if it wanted to, while on the federal level it is unconstitutional to do so. Why have 'progressive' states generally not done so? An unwillingness to own the inevitable failure IMHO. They want someone else to blame when it bankrupts them. For those who want a single payer, the reality is that each state has always had the authority to institute it’s own single payer if it wanted to, while on the federal level it is unconstitutional to do so.

Why have ‘progressive’ states generally not done so? An unwillingness to own the inevitable failure IMHO. They want someone else to blame when it bankrupts them.

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