Do conservatives understand the Constitution they say they love?

Healthcare commerceGood Morning C&L Readers. Thanks for stopping by.

Several states banded together and filed a lawsuit stating that healthcare reform was unconstitutional. They seem to be using a two-pronged argument: First, healthcare reform “infringes on state powers under the Constitution’s Bill of Rights.” Secondly, according to the Attorney General of Virginia, “Congress lacks the authority under its constitutional power to regulate interstate commerce and force people to buy insurance.” We’ve heard cries of, “where does it say in the Constitution that Congress has the power to force you to buy insurance?”

Well, let’s start from a position that I think we all can agree on — the Supreme Court is the final arbiter over what the Constitution says and doesn’t say. Whether we agree or disagree with the Supreme Court, they have the final say (Article 3, Section 2).

Let’s start off this legal journey to looking at Article I, Section 8 — “The Congress shall have the power… to regulate commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with Indian Tribes;” “Commerce” is defined in Merriam Webster’s Dictionary as “social intercourse: exchange of ideas, opinions or sentiment.” The secondary definition is the one that we are more familiar with — “…the exchange or buying and selling of commodities on a large scale involving transportation from place to place.”

We really weren’t a nation for long before this commerce clause was challenged. In 1816, Congress passed a law which opened the second Bank of the United States. Shortly after the bank opened, the state of Maryland passed a law which imposed taxes on that bank. James McCulloch was the cashier of the Baltimore branch. He refused to pay the tax. McCulloch versus Maryland was the resulting case. The Supreme Court, using the commerce clause, stated that Congress had the right and the power to incorporate a bank. Chief Justice John Marshall, who fought in the Revolutionary war, served in Virginia’s House of Delegates and was appointed to the court by President John Adams, argued that Congress possessed unenumerated powers not explicitly outlined in the Constitution. (Where was Antonin Scalia?) He went on to say, “Although, among the enumerated powers of Government, we do not find the word ‘bank’ or ‘incorporation,’ we find the great powers, to lay and collect taxes; to borrow money; to regulate commerce; to declare and conduct a war; and to raise and support armies and navies. The sword and the purse, all the external relations, and no inconsiderable portion of the industry of the nation are intrusted to its Government. It can never be pretended that these vast powers draw after them others of inferior importance merely because they are inferior. Such an idea can never be advanced. But it may with great reason be contended that a Government intrusted with such ample powers, on the due execution of which the happiness and prosperity of the Nation so vitally depends, must also be intrusted with ample means for their execution.” Therefore, in this early decision made almost 200 years ago, we see that Chief Justice John Marshall unequivocally rejects the notion that if the Constitution does not say X., Y. or Z. and Congress can’t do it. This in an of itself blows 99% of conservative arguments out of the water.

In 1824, steamboats were probably the fastest mode of transportation. Each state regulated its own waterway. A steamboat owner who operated in New Jersey and wanted to operate in New York challenged a New York law which gave exclusive rights to another company. Gibbons versus Ogden. Not only did the court find in favor of Congress that Chief Justice John Marshall also defined commerce. He stated, “The subject to be regulated is commerce, and our Constitution being, as was aptly said at the bar, one of enumeration, and not of definition, to ascertain the extent of the power, it becomes necessary to settle the meaning of the word. The counsel for the appellee would limit it to traffic, to buying and selling, or the interchange of commodities, and do not admit that it comprehends navigation. This would restrict a general term, applicable to many objects, to one of its significations. Commerce, undoubtedly, is traffic, but it is something more: it is intercourse. It describes the commercial intercourse between nations, and parts of nations, in all its branches, and is regulated by prescribing rules for carrying on that intercourse. The mind can scarcely conceive a system for regulating commerce between nations which shall exclude all laws concerning navigation, which shall be silent on the admission of the vessels of the one nation into the ports of the other, and be confined to prescribing rules for the conduct of individuals in the actual employment of buying and selling or of barter.”

To be fair, I should add that the courts tried to limit Congress’ power through the commerce clause in the late 1890s through the 1930s. In 1918 Congress tried to prohibit child labor. In the Hammer versus Dagenhart case, Justice William Day argued, in a 5 to 4 decision, that production was not commerce and therefore outside of the jurisdiction of Congress. So this limited Congress’s power through the commerce clause. Personally, I believe this is a nonsensical argument, since without commerce there’s no reason for production, and production as part of the process. It is part of commerce. The Supreme Court was splitting hairs here. Oliver Wendell Holmes’ dissent was brilliant. He states, “The act does not meddle with anything belonging to the States. They may regulate their internal affairs and their domestic commerce as they like. But when they seek to send their products across the state line, they are no longer within their rights. If there were no Constitution and no Congress, their power to cross the line would depend upon their neighbors. Under the Constitution, such commerce belongs not to the States, but to Congress to regulate.” This is a GREAT explanation of how the relationship between the States and the Federal Government should interact.

In the United States versus Darby Lumber Company, the Supreme Court overturned the Hammer decision. The Fair Labor Standards Act was passed as part of the New Deal. It regulated minimum wages and maximum weekly hours. It also dealt with child labor. This applied to all corporations that engage in interstate commerce. This unanimous decision came down in 1941. One of the most interesting things in the decision was that Supreme Court dealt with a common argument that conservatives have thrown out for years; states’ rights. The court ruled that, “the 10th amendment is not a limitation upon the authority of the National Government…”

In 1944, the Supreme Court ruled that Congress had the power to regulate insurance.

So, I think it’s pretty clear from the very beginnings of our republic that the Supreme Court’s interpretation of the commerce clause has been very expansive. For more on the commerce clause, I’ve written more here and here. Simon Lazarus of the American Constitutional Society for Law and Policy has written a nice 16-page brief on whether mandatory health insurance is constitutional.

Why don’t conservatives know this? I did a couple of hours of research and found information that is readily available on the Internet or in your local public library. My guess is many conservatives do know this information. Yet, they choose to ignore it while they stoke the anger and frustration of many Americans. The filing of a lawsuit and the multiple op-eds that have been generated seem to be part of a calculated political ploy. This is about politics. Maybe maybe that is what’s so sad about all of this.

  • Joe White

    Cite one case where the federal government was allowed to force an individual to purchase a specific product he did not want to purchase. You can't find any such thing.

    Also tell me, do you really want Congress to have the power to regulate 'commerce' as it was defined in the first definition you cited for support: “social intercourse: exchange of ideas, opinions or sentiment”

    i.e. Do you really want Congress to regulate the 'exchange of ideas, opinions or sentiment'?

    Maybe you do. I know a lot of liberals who don't really believe in freedom of speech. I just didn't think you were among them.

    Just how 'expansive' do you want the federal 'regulation of commerce' to be?

  • YSAD

    Ever hear of social security?

    Also, what about the “inalienable” right to life mentioned in the Declaration of Independence? Doesn't that imply that health care is a right and not a privilege of those who can afford it?

  • Paco

    Stare Decisis is the tradition in the Supreme Court to honor past decisions. Although the newest justices on the Powell court all claimed that they believed in this tradition, their decisions have not shown this to be the case. This seems a bit strange coming as it does from judges who claim to be conservative (tradition minded), but there you have it.

    The point is that we cannot judge what the court will decide based on decisions of past courts. This is an activist court that will chart its own course and to hell with any traditions.

  • hpdonle

    lets see? Unleaded gasoline. The catalytic converter. High MPG cars and trucks. All of these were brought about bu laws enacted by Congress. All at the time were argued against as infringing upon people's ability to choose or refuse to choose. Accordingly each is a product that indivivuals were “forced' topurchase against their will.

  • stgutfree

    With this kind of logic, one could argue why do we pay taxes at all? It's all in your interpretation of what the function of a government should be. Without economic strategy, there's hardly a purpose for a government.

  • Car Insurance

    We are all required to purchase car insurance, and in some states our vehicle can be impounded if we don't produce proof of insurance. We must purchase licenses to drive, to hunt, to practice law, etc.

    Please people, you just sound stupid when you make statements like “Cite one case where the federal government was allowed to force an individual to purchase a specific product he did not want to purchase. You can't find any such thing.”

  • goatboyslim

    If the Federal government can't mandate a certain behavior, they will simply coerce it. Witness how many times they've threatened to withhold highway funds, for seatbelt laws, for mandatory auto insurance etc.

  • ecthompson

    Joe –

    Stop and take a deep breath. Breath. You are smarter than this. Much smarter. You can name 2 or 3 things just off the top of your head. you are forced to pay in Social Security starting from the day your first paycheck. you're also forced to pay in the Medicare would you ever plan on taking advantage of that benefit are not.

    As you can see from my post, all I did was quote what Chief Justice John Marshall said. He was the one they use that expansive definition of commerce. So, it's already part of the law. It has been part of the law since the early 1800s. It doesn't matter how expansive I want our government to be, they have already been granted that power by the Supreme Court. I have provided links so you can go and read the decision yourself. See if I made a mistake in interpreting what he said. I suggest you take some Prozac prior to reading it because you will become depressed. Then, as a pick me up you should read the Hammer decision. They'll make you feel better.

  • ecthompson

    outstanding retort. Thanks for your comments

  • ecthompson

    you are 100% correct. As I read the hammer decision, it sounded a lot like the logic that John Roberts would use to justify overturning the decisions of the previous 60 years.

    Thanks for your comments.

  • steadyeddie_78

    Doesn't the The Act for the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen of 1798 pretty much seal the argument? If one of the most influential of the founding fathers signed a health care mandate into law, it's hard to argue that similar efforts are unconstitutional.

  • nemo

    The author is forgetting one of the most important Supreme Court cases that define what the Commerce Clause is supposed to cover, and what it supposedly doesn't. (Surprise! Surprise! It covers just about anything Congress wants to claim as 'commerce').

    And that case is Raich vs. Gonzales. A case that liberals and civil libertarians should have been spitting mad at, but have been shamefacedly, sheepishly silent about.

    Had the 'Federalist Society' bench-warmers on the present-day SC decided to engage in real 'federalism' instead of when it was convenient for them, a positive ruling in Raich would have forced the dismantling of the huge Fed bureaucracies that have grown up since the 1930's, based on the Brandeis Court's Wickard case's interpretation of the Commerce Clause, itself a product of FDR's 1937 threat to pack the SC with his picked men.

    So-called 'progressives' have much to answer for in their failure to adhere to the original principle of the Commerce Clause, the twisting of which at the behest of the 'progressives' of nearly a century ago created the DrugWar, from which so many national evils flow. A favorable ruling in Raich would have reversed that…and also brought to mind the question as to how we got into this drug mess to begin with. Questions many modern-day 'progressives', with their suspicious silence regarding the 'progressive' origins of the drug laws, might not want to have to answer.

  • ronzx

    Congress should add Medicare or 'Medicare <65' into the mix. Then the claim that the government is forcing people to buy a private insurance policy will not be a factor. Medicare or equivalent will be the mandate, Private Insurance will be the option.

  • sam240

    Technically, we aren't required to purchase car insurance. If we don't drive, we don't have to buy insurance. We don't have to purchase licenses to do something, since we can choose to avoid doing that something.

    We do pay into Social Security and Medicare, but those are government programs.

    I can't think of a case where the government mandates that a person must purchase a product that is available only through the private sector. There are cases where the government mandates that one must purchase product X through the private sector if one wishes to do action Y, but, in those cases, the option not to do action Y is available.

    If a government can mandate that people must buy health insurance from the private sector, it can also mandate that parents must pay private schools for their children's primary and secondary education, leaving public schools only for the very poorest. If there were a public health care option, this wouldn't bother me, but it seems to me that, when the government forces people to buy things from private enterprise, no matter what, the government has too much power

  • http://classic.buzzflash.com/?time=24 Kevin Schmidt

    Social Security is run by the federal government, not by “for profit” corporations.

    No one is forced to buy auto insurance. If you don't want to buy it, you don't have to drive a car.

    The federal government is going to force everyone to buy health insurance from “for profit” health insurance corporations. There is no way to opt out. If you're alive and living in the U.S., you have to buy it. That is most certainly unconstitutional.

    This law indentures us to the health insurance industry. It is the first step in forcing us into modern day serfdom.

    So why are you dodos so passionate about instituting fascism in the USA? Why are you supporting the upper 1% plutocracy who own all the health insurance companies?

    The solution is simple – Medicare for all. It will cost considerably less than what “for profit” health insurance companies charge over and above true actuarial costs, and there will be zero chance that anyone could be denied health insurance.

    End of story!

  • Joe White

    No one is forced to buy gasoline of any type.

    You can go your whole life and never buy gasoline, and you won't be breaking any law.

    Do you even understand what the individual mandate is?

    You MUST buy insurance whether you want it or not. The penalty for not purchasing is massive fines and/or prison.

  • Joe White

    This same auto insurance comparison is cited by liberals all the time. It just shows that they do not understand insurance.

    The fact is that in most states if you can prove that you have the financial means to pay for damages you may cause to others or their property, then you are NOT required to buy auto insurance.

    And even those who ARE required to buy auto insurance are ONLY required to purchase liability coverage i.e. for damages to others. They are not required to buy auto insurance to cover damage to their own vehicles or their own bodies.

    Don't tell us who 'sounds stupid' when it's apparent that you don't even understand the difference between covering one's liability to others and covering one's self.

  • http://classic.buzzflash.com/?time=24 Kevin Schmidt

    By the way, Rep. Alan Grayson (D) FL submitted a four page bill that would allow anyone to purchase Medicare regardless of their age. It's over on his website if you want to read it. The costs charged to citizens are tied directly to the actuarial tables for 10 year age brackets. There is no additional charges for bloated upper management salaries, marketing, and redundant infrastructures. So in comparison, the cost for “Medicare for all” would indeed be considerably less compared with any and all “for profit” health insurance blood suckers. The CBO confirms this fact. Surely you remember when the study was published.

    The US government system for Medicare is already in place, so there would be very little start up costs. Also, since senior citizens are the only and most expensive age group currently receiving Medicare, allowing younger people to participate would allow further savings for both citizens and the federal government.

    Face it, the only reason why anyone would not want Medicare for all is if they owned stock in “for profit” health insurance companies, or was incredibly stoopid.

    Are you guys incredibly stoopid?

  • http://classic.buzzflash.com/?time=24 Kevin Schmidt

    Take a deep breath? Take some Prozac?
    You're not really concerned about joe's health now are you, ecthompson?

    You uncivilly wanted to make an emotional, mud slinging ad hominem attack against him personally, instead of logically addressing his comment.

    Ironically, it is you who needs the Prozac!

    And of course, the rest of your comment is also irrelevant, illogical and wrong. Even if you were right, there is still no justification, both logically and morally to force everyone in the U.S. to pay more for health care insurance when the U.S. Government can supply it for a much lower cost!

    See my posts.

  • skinnydog

    A motorcycle helmet.

    If you don't wear one, you're more of a burden on your fellow citizens when you go down (and at some point, any rider WILL eventually go down.) If you don't act responsibly and wear one, the state will compel you to act responsibly, which directly translates to buying a helmet.

    Purchasing health insurance protects the general public, in that it minimizes or eliminates them from picking up the tab for your lack of wellness.

    If you consider this being “forced” to do the right thing, then be a man about it and sign a notarized document absolving the state from any responsibility to treat you when you fall ill. And we will all be happy to step over you on the sidewalk as you lay dying.

    Or, just grow the hell up and buy some damn insurance.

  • skinnydog

    “Massive fines” my red, white, and blue ass. Prison? What wingnut crap are you mainlining, son?

    You paranoid delusional righties really need to take off the asshats about this stuff.

    Do you realize that the entire world is watching this country devolve into Tea Party silliness and LAUGHING at you?

    Go join a militia and prepare for the black helicopters. And when you get raptured, I get dibs on your guns.

    Pathetic.

  • skinnydog

    So, fine. If you can prove that you can pay any and all medical fees that you may require, then sign a waiver and go it alone. Or tell you what – buy health insurance that only indemnifies those who are adversely effected by your illness, but specifically does not cover any expenses relating to taking care of your illness per se.

    Would that make you feel better?

  • margaret2

    Medicare is federal government insurance. You have to pay it if you work. If you don't work or pay taxes then the federal government won't force you to buy health insurance. Just don't have a social security number and they won't be able to find you. But then again you must pay cash for everything you do.

  • keith caillouette

    Most people are ignorant of truth. I see the truth here is slowly being revealed. one more thing that hasnt been stated here that liberals and socialist should learn is it is not mandatory to have a social security number and pay the tax. A social security number is not required for employment.
    Read the laws. Most of us are lied to and manipulated by government and many actions they tell us that we must do are only really options we have as citizens, one example being having your wages witheld by your employer. Research and learn the truth or dont worry about it, ignorance is bliss!

  • ecthompson

    Although you are technically correct, in reality you are wrong. If you work in the US, 99% of jobs will require you to have a SS #. You can not apply for almost any government program without a SS# (medicaid, medicare, food stamps, etc.) I don't think that you can get a federal ID to run a business without a SS #. So, unless, you are going to be a professional tea bagger who sits around a protests all day, you are going to need a SS #.

    Thanks for your comments.

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